[robocup-humanoid] New roadmap

[Ludovic Hofer]

Dear Oskar, Dear Minoru,

First of all, thanks for your feedback, your suggestions and your 
support for the league.

As Oskar's e-mail pointed out, we failed to open a new thread for 
discussing this draft of the roadmap. This problem is now fixed: This 
thread 
<https://hl.forum.robocup.org/t/first-draft-of-roadmap-2019-open-for-discussion/328> 
can be used for all following discussions. In order to save your 
comments for posterity, I referred to your e-mails in an issue in the 
roadmap repository <https://github.com/medrimonia/roadmap_hl/issues/8>

Given the remaining time before the competition, we won't be able to 
publish a second draft before the RoboCup 2019. However all the comments 
will be gathered in order to provide a more complete document quickly 
after competition.

Best,

Ludovic

On 16/06/2019 01:24, asada+otri wrote:
> Oskar,
>
> stryk> Dear Ludovic, TCs and HL Teams,
> stryk>
> stryk> Thank you very much for your valuable efforts for the new roadmap
> stryk> draft!
>
> Thanks, too!
>
> stryk> I was not sure, where to post in the forum, as the thread
> stryk> for roadmap has no posting related to the new draft.
> stryk>
> stryk> The new draft now focusses more on the scientific and technological
> stryk> challenges and milestones to be met. This is a very good step forward!
> stryk>
> stryk>
> stryk> I suggest to add to the Introduction a subsection about the importance
> stryk> of embodiment, e.g., from the HL home page:
> stryk>
> stryk> "In the Humanoid League, autonomous robots with a human-like body plan
> stryk> and
> stryk> human-like senses play soccer against each other. Unlike humanoid
> stryk> robots
> stryk> outside the Humanoid League the task of perception and world modeling
> stryk> is
> stryk> not simplified by using non-human like range sensors. In addition to
> stryk> soccer competitions technical challenges take place. Dynamic walking,
> stryk> running, and kicking the ball while maintaining balance, visual
> stryk> perception of the ball, other players, and the field,
> stryk> self-localization, and team play are among the many research issues
> stryk> investigated in the Humanoid League."
> stryk>
> stryk>
> stryk> A quote from Rodney Brooks would fit very nicely here:
> stryk> "If we are to build a robot with human like intelligence then it
> stryk> must have a human like body in order to be able to develop
> stryk> similar sorts of representations."
> stryk>
> stryk> Source of the quote:
> stryk> Brooks, R.A., "From Earwigs to Humans",
> stryk> Proceedings IIAS The Third Brain and Mind International Symposium
> stryk> Concept Formation, Thinking and Their Development, Kyoto, Japan, May
> stryk> 1996, pp. 59–66. Appeard in:
> stryk> Robotics and Autonomous Systems
> stryk> Volume 20, Issues 2–4, June 1997, Pages 291-304
> stryk> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921889096000644
> stryk>
> stryk> PDF available from
> stryk> https://people.csail.mit.edu/brooks/publications.html
>
> That's an important reference.
>
> Please feel free to cite or not, but the following my review also
> claimed the importance of physical embodiment under a little bit
> different context. Just, for your reference!
>
> Minoru Asada, Koh Hosoda, Yasuo Kuniyoshi, Hiroshi Ishiguro, Toshio
> Inui, Yuichiro Yoshikawa, Masaki Ogino, and Chisato Yoshida. Cognitive
> developmental robotics: a survey. IEEE Transactions on Autonomous
> Mental Development, Vol.1, No.1, pp.12--34, 2009.
>
> http://www.er.ams.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/Paper/2009/Asada09g.pdf
>
> Best,
>
>   -- Minoru
>
>
>
>
> stryk>
> stryk> Best regards,
> stryk> Oskar
> stryk>
> stryk>
> stryk> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, Ludovic Hofer wrote:
> stryk>
> stryk> > Dear RoboCuppers,
> stryk> >
> stryk> > A draft for the new roadmap is now ready and available at:
> stryk> > http://www.robocuphumanoid.org/wp-content/uploads/RCHL-2019-Roadmap-Draft1.pdf
> stryk> >
> stryk> > It contains detailed information about changes planned in short-term
> stryk> > and the principles for the long-term evolution of the rules.
> stryk> >
> stryk> > While I know that most of you are really busy preparing the
> stryk> > competition, I think it is important that you get familiar with this
> stryk> > document in order to be able to discuss it during the RoboCup.
> stryk> >
> stryk> > If you have questions or comments regarding this document, feel free
> stryk> > to write them on the league forum: https://hl.forum.robocup.org/
> stryk> >
> stryk> > See you all in Sydney.
> stryk> >
> stryk> > Ludovic Hofer
> stryk> >
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