[robocup-humanoid] Rule Discussion for 2012

[Jacky Baltes]

Hi,

I believe that the FIFA rules are not more or less consistent than the
RoboCup rules. There is plenty of vague language when you actually
look at the rules. That is why they have referee certification and
classes etc. We do need to care about FIFA once we start playing
against human, but that won't happen in 2012. We should not look at
the FIFA rules as our bible, but rather adapt them to our context. We
should and need to select the best rules for robotic soccer.

This being said - we do not play corner kicks and indirect kicks, and
it is clear from the indoor football rules that balls thrown into the
other goal are not allowed. We also want to weigh the penalty for
throwing the ball in in such a way that it is not too damaging to goal
keepers so that teams actually try and develop goalies that can
manipulate the ball. In my view dealing with it as a ball kicked over
the other goal line is an appropriate penalty in this case and we
continue with the standard procedure - throw in.

I do not want to limit the throw of the goalie to just the center line
since this in my opinion would lead to more stoppages in the game.

CU,
   Jacky


On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Alejandro Malo Tamayo
<alexmalo at ctrl.cinvestav.mx> wrote:
> Hi
> On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Daniel Seifert wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 19:12, Dorian Scholz <scholz at sim.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2011 05:42 PM, Alejandro Malo Tamayo wrote:
>>>> Regarding the rules of the game I believe that they should agree with
>>>>  FIFA's. The throw in is rule 15,
>>>> its states that "A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in."
>>>> A goal kick is awarded if the ball enters the goal of the opponent, if it
>>>> enters its own goal a corner kick is awarded.
>>>
>>
>> The point probably is that it is extremely unlikely that a goal keeper
>> manages to throw a goal on an actual sized soccer field.
>>
> I believe FiFA's rules are complete and consistent. Otherwise their business would be in peril. However, their interpretation require kind of "professional" referees. Anybody know one there? Also, Robocup may choose (1) apply, (2) not apply or (3) modify a rule, but it would be best for all the knowledge of the elected path and its reasons.
>
> Law 16 considers the case when the ball exited the goal line.
> "A goal may be scored directly from a goal kick, but only against the opposing team"
> otherwise the ball is in play (Law 9) and the goalkeeper can score from a punt, since the ball is in play. By Law 12 the goalkeeper can not keep control of the ball in his hands for more than six seconds. An indirect free kick is the penalty.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
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