[robocup-humanoid] Rule Discussion for 2012

[Alejandro Malo Tamayo]

Hi
You are absolutely right. My version of complete and consistent is that for all situations present in the game there is only one decision under FIFA rules, they are 50 sparsely written pages for the seventeen rules and 74 of how they should be interpreted. You can play checkers with a chess, a casual observer might think that you play chess or think you don't know how to play chess.
BR
Alejandro Malo
On Nov 24, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Jacky Baltes wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I believe that the FIFA rules are not more or less consistent than the
> RoboCup rules. There is plenty of vague language when you actually
> look at the rules. That is why they have referee certification and
> classes etc. We do need to care about FIFA once we start playing
> against human, but that won't happen in 2012. We should not look at
> the FIFA rules as our bible, but rather adapt them to our context. We
> should and need to select the best rules for robotic soccer.
> 
> This being said - we do not play corner kicks and indirect kicks, and
> it is clear from the indoor football rules that balls thrown into the
> other goal are not allowed. We also want to weigh the penalty for
> throwing the ball in in such a way that it is not too damaging to goal
> keepers so that teams actually try and develop goalies that can
> manipulate the ball. In my view dealing with it as a ball kicked over
> the other goal line is an appropriate penalty in this case and we
> continue with the standard procedure - throw in.
> 
> I do not want to limit the throw of the goalie to just the center line
> since this in my opinion would lead to more stoppages in the game.
> 
> CU,
>   Jacky
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Alejandro Malo Tamayo
> <alexmalo at ctrl.cinvestav.mx> wrote:
>> Hi
>> On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:29 PM, Daniel Seifert wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 19:12, Dorian Scholz <scholz at sim.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/2011 05:42 PM, Alejandro Malo Tamayo wrote:
>>>>> Regarding the rules of the game I believe that they should agree with
>>>>>  FIFA's. The throw in is rule 15,
>>>>> its states that "A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in."
>>>>> A goal kick is awarded if the ball enters the goal of the opponent, if it
>>>>> enters its own goal a corner kick is awarded.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> The point probably is that it is extremely unlikely that a goal keeper
>>> manages to throw a goal on an actual sized soccer field.
>>> 
>> I believe FiFA's rules are complete and consistent. Otherwise their business would be in peril. However, their interpretation require kind of "professional" referees. Anybody know one there? Also, Robocup may choose (1) apply, (2) not apply or (3) modify a rule, but it would be best for all the knowledge of the elected path and its reasons.
>> 
>> Law 16 considers the case when the ball exited the goal line.
>> "A goal may be scored directly from a goal kick, but only against the opposing team"
>> otherwise the ball is in play (Law 9) and the goalkeeper can score from a punt, since the ball is in play. By Law 12 the goalkeeper can not keep control of the ball in his hands for more than six seconds. An indirect free kick is the penalty.
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
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