[robocup-humanoid] The list of teams of pre-registration

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Sat Feb 3 21:35:27 EST 2007


Hi all,
	I'm the coordinator of the Humanoid League of Tsinghua Hrimthurs and
it's reported that every team of pre-registration should have received an
e-mail of notification yet unfortunately it seems I have not.
	Would you please to give all the teams an entire list of the teams
of pre-registration where we could re-confirm it?
	Thanks a lot :)

Sambuke.M.Hao
Tsinghua University
2007-2-4

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: ?: One question about the position of Imagesensor.
      (Oskar von Stryk)
   2. Re: ?: One question about the position	ofImagesensor.
      (Chew Chee Meng)
   3. Re: ?: One question about the position of	Imagesensor.
      (Shibatani Naoki)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:03:22 +0100 (CET)
From: Oskar von Stryk <stryk at sim.tu-darmstadt.de>
Subject: Re: [robocup-humanoid] ?: One question about the position of
	Imagesensor.
To: Chew Chee Meng <mpeccm at nus.edu.sg>, Changjiu Zhou
	<zhoucj at sp.edu.sg>
Cc: Humanoid League Mailing List <robocup-humanoid at cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID:
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0702021124300.12560 at mail.sim.informatik.tu-darmstadt.
de>
	
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Dear Chew Chee, Dear Changjiu, Dear Teams,

1. 
You are absolutely right. No rule should be based on "twisting of English".
If there is uncertainty in the formulation it must be clarified.
This should idealy happen in the time frame which had been set for rule 
discussions. 

2.
The rule now in question is 4.3. 

The wording in the rule draft for 2007 is **exactly** the same
as in the rules used for 2006 when it was allowed
to our team to use a camera in the robot's chest as we did
in RoboCup 2006. It was also allowed to use omnivision camera
or two cameras (one looking forwad and one looking backward in the 
head) as it was done by other teams in RoboCup 2006.

At this time, it is impossible that there can be any changes in
the rules for robot design or their interpretation.
All teams have worked on their robots and submitted
qualification material.

However, a discussion about future changes in robot design
(especially for 2008) should be initiated on the mailing list 
before July. Then we will be better prepared for
future rule discussions and votings on the last day of RoboCup 2007
(when there is usually only too little time for that).

With best regards,
Oskar von Stryk

--
Prof. Dr. Oskar von Stryk           E-Mail: stryk(at)sim.tu-darmstadt.de
Simulation and Systems Optimization Phone:  ++49 (0) 6151-16-2513
Technische Universitaet Darmstadt   Fax:    ++49 (0) 6151-16-6648
Hochschulstr. 10                    http://www.sim.tu-darmstadt.de
D-64289 Darmstadt, Germany


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:19:02 +0800
From: "Chew Chee Meng" <mpeccm at nus.edu.sg>
Subject: Re: [robocup-humanoid] ?: One question about the position
	ofImagesensor.
To: "Oskar von Stryk" <stryk at sim.tu-darmstadt.de>,	"Changjiu Zhou"
	<zhoucj at sp.edu.sg>
Cc: Humanoid League Mailing List <robocup-humanoid at cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID:
	<6E7DB9984051D44D9B235574354DA37E0159332F at MBX03.stf.nus.edu.sg>
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Dear Oskar

Our main point is that if we want to put it down explicitly in the rule,
it should be enforced.  Otherwise, each team will start to breach the
rule and expect the organiser to waive it.  Also, other teams may use
the same case to justify their breach of rules, e.g. claiming that XX
team also did it last year.  And we think it is unfair to teams who
abide by the rules.  Any request to change the rule should be done
before the deadline for rule change unless no team is against it.    

Thks
CM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oskar von Stryk [mailto:stryk at sim.tu-darmstadt.de] 
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:03 PM
> To: Chew Chee Meng; Changjiu Zhou
> Cc: Humanoid League Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [robocup-humanoid] ?: One question about the 
> position ofImagesensor.
> 
> 
> Dear Chew Chee, Dear Changjiu, Dear Teams,
> 
> 1. 
> You are absolutely right. No rule should be based on 
> "twisting of English". If there is uncertainty in the 
> formulation it must be clarified. This should idealy happen 
> in the time frame which had been set for rule 
> discussions. 
> 
> 2.
> The rule now in question is 4.3. 
> 
> The wording in the rule draft for 2007 is **exactly** the 
> same as in the rules used for 2006 when it was allowed to our 
> team to use a camera in the robot's chest as we did in 
> RoboCup 2006. It was also allowed to use omnivision camera or 
> two cameras (one looking forwad and one looking backward in the 
> head) as it was done by other teams in RoboCup 2006.
> 
> At this time, it is impossible that there can be any changes 
> in the rules for robot design or their interpretation. All 
> teams have worked on their robots and submitted qualification 
> material.
> 
> However, a discussion about future changes in robot design 
> (especially for 2008) should be initiated on the mailing list 
> before July. Then we will be better prepared for
> future rule discussions and votings on the last day of 
> RoboCup 2007 (when there is usually only too little time for that).
> 
> With best regards,
> Oskar von Stryk
> 
> --
> Prof. Dr. Oskar von Stryk           E-Mail: 
> stryk(at)sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> Simulation and Systems Optimization Phone:  ++49 (0) 6151-16-2513
> Technische Universitaet Darmstadt   Fax:    ++49 (0) 6151-16-6648
> Hochschulstr. 10                    http://www.sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> D-64289 Darmstadt, Germany
> 


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:01:45 +0900
From: "Shibatani Naoki" <shibatani at vstone.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [robocup-humanoid] ?: One question about the position of
	Imagesensor.
To: "Humanoid League Mailing List" <robocup-humanoid at cc.gatech.edu>
Message-ID: <002501c74769$8d15c1e0$1e01a8c0 at Naoki>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Dear all,

I agree Mr.Oskar's opinion.

> 2.
> The rule now in question is 4.3.
>
> The wording in the rule draft for 2007 is **exactly** the same
> as in the rules used for 2006 when it was allowed
> to our team to use a camera in the robot's chest as we did
> in RoboCup 2006. It was also allowed to use omnivision camera
> or two cameras (one looking forwad and one looking backward in the
> head) as it was done by other teams in RoboCup 2006.
>
> At this time, it is impossible that there can be any changes in
> the rules for robot design or their interpretation.
> All teams have worked on their robots and submitted
> qualification material.

It is impossible to change the rule (interpretation) for robot design from 
now.
We will have a discussion about the robot design (for future) on the day of 
Robocup 2007.

Our idea about putting the camera in the chest is just,
We don't want to develop the long head ugly robot like Alien.
We have never created the robot that someone deems ugly.
So We don't want again this year.

I attach the image file.
 As you see, we have no other merit,
Insted of putting the camera in the long flattened head,
Putting in the chest part makes the robot  good-looking..

Thank you very much.

Sincerely yours,
 Naoki Shibatani (TeamOSAKA)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Oskar von Stryk" <stryk at sim.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: "Chew Chee Meng" <mpeccm at nus.edu.sg>; "Changjiu Zhou" <zhoucj at sp.edu.sg>
Cc: "Humanoid League Mailing List" <robocup-humanoid at cc.gatech.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [robocup-humanoid] ?: One question about the position of 
Imagesensor.


> Dear Chew Chee, Dear Changjiu, Dear Teams,
>
> 1.
> You are absolutely right. No rule should be based on "twisting of 
> English".
> If there is uncertainty in the formulation it must be clarified.
> This should idealy happen in the time frame which had been set for rule
> discussions.
>
> 2.
> The rule now in question is 4.3.
>
> The wording in the rule draft for 2007 is **exactly** the same
> as in the rules used for 2006 when it was allowed
> to our team to use a camera in the robot's chest as we did
> in RoboCup 2006. It was also allowed to use omnivision camera
> or two cameras (one looking forwad and one looking backward in the
> head) as it was done by other teams in RoboCup 2006.
>
> At this time, it is impossible that there can be any changes in
> the rules for robot design or their interpretation.
> All teams have worked on their robots and submitted
> qualification material.
>
> However, a discussion about future changes in robot design
> (especially for 2008) should be initiated on the mailing list
> before July. Then we will be better prepared for
> future rule discussions and votings on the last day of RoboCup 2007
> (when there is usually only too little time for that).
>
> With best regards,
> Oskar von Stryk
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Oskar von Stryk           E-Mail: stryk(at)sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> Simulation and Systems Optimization Phone:  ++49 (0) 6151-16-2513
> Technische Universitaet Darmstadt   Fax:    ++49 (0) 6151-16-6648
> Hochschulstr. 10                    http://www.sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> D-64289 Darmstadt, Germany
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