[robocup-small] REMINDER - Major Rule Changes 2012 Discussion

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2011/11/9 Angelo Gurzoni Jr <jgurzoni at yahoo.com.br>

> Hello Everybody.****
>
> We would like to once again encourage everybody to send opinions,
> suggestions, criticism and any other feedback regarding the major rule
> changes to the mailing list, so the TC can make sure all the views of the
> SSL community were taken into consideration. Every opinion counts. ****
>
> There were some comments made on the League’s group on Facebook, but
> certainly there are many more valuable views yet to be shared ! ****
>
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> Below a copy of what was discusses on the Facebook group so far. ****
>
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>
> Regards,****
>
> Angelo****
>
> On behalf of the SSL TC for RoboCup Mexico 2012****
>
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> ==== Extract from the League’s Facebook page ====****
>
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> == About Ball Speed == ****
>
> Yang Liu ****
>
> I disagree since the new field size and even the current size is
> reasonably big enough for max 10m/s shooting to keep some highly dynamic
> game, and decreasing ball speed will lower the challenge in many areas
> (tactics, vision filtering, motion control, etc...). In current games it's
> almost impossible to score by shooting straight from defense area.****
>
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> J Angelo Gurzoni Junior ****
>
> I also like the ball's high speed we have now, but the problem is that
> those dynamic games are not happening. What most frequently happens is a
> game with many many indirect kicks. Plays look like snooker games at best,
> even for the top teams. I think the ball speed may be increased again in
> the future, but after we can see these dynamical games happening. Right
> now, there's just too many indirect kicks and game stops. And we can't go
> back to have bounds on the field, it would be anti-evolutive for the
> league. Of course, as all the rules, they are not magic answers, teams need
> to focus development on the topics.****
>
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> J Angelo Gurzoni Junior ****
>
> Posting here feedback we got: Some people suggested a higher ball speed
> limitation, perhaps at 8 m/s, or at the minimum 7 m/s.****
>
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>
> Sepehr Mohaimanian Pour****
>
> I think 10 m/s limit is great for new field size ! as you know the
> diameter of new field will be around 9.15 and passing the ball from our
> corner ( like goal kick ) with the most speed of ball ( 6 m/s ) takes 3-4
> seconds to reach the destination ( considering friction ) , another reason
> that i disagree the 6 m/s limitation is that some teams robots can reach 4
> m/s speed and it's not rational that balls maximum kicking speed be 150% of
> robots speed ...****
>
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>
> === About Increasing defense area ===****
>
> Mani Monajjemi ****
>
> This is really a good idea. However, in order to guarantee that keepers
> can do their job without help, the decrease in ball speed needs to be in
> the rules as well.****
>
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>
> Мустафа Золотой****
>
> ‎Mani Monajjemi, it seems it is scheduled to be implemented too ;) but
> alas, there has been too few comments, both in mailing-list based and
> social-page based communities yet!****
>
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>
> Yang Liu****
>
> I think this is good idea to increase defense area, maybe with 6 robots is
> more reasonable.****
>
> ** **
>
> === About 6 robots ====****
>
> Мустафа Золотой****
>
> the idea is far more than good where the defense area and the field itself
> is about to be increased!****
>
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>
> Bahador Moosavi****
>
> While I understand the reasons behind why this would be beneficial, if
> this gets implemented at the same time as the 'increased defense area'
> rule, I wonder if teams won't use this extra player in their defense area
> (i.e. we might be discouraging the usage of 3 goalkeepers, but teams now
> can afford to have 4 keepers!) making both rule changes somewhat
> ineffective ...****
>
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>
> J Angelo Gurzoni Junior****
>
> ‎Bahador, I kept thinking about what you said, and I think the larger
> defense not only neutralizes the 'extra goalie' but also gives the attacker
> team one more attacker to explore. And we know that passing the ball kills
> the 'extra goalies' :-)****
>
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>
> Мустафа Золотой****
>
> Even with an extra keeper, a small increment in defense area will make it
> hard to use that extra one efficient, since increasing the area by the
> radius means increasing the free open angles for attackers. and besides,
> what J Angelo Gurzoni Junior says is a definitive answer, with dynamic
> multi-agent strategy base games in mind, this extra can have both roles of
> attack and defense, or thinking fuzzy, a Midfielder!****
>
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