<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Hi,</span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Angelo, you pointed the problem out yourself: I believe that this otherwise rare scenario will become much more frequent as attackers keep chipping at the goal in the hopes of scoring a goal.</div>
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If we're trying to imitate how a human goalie catches a flying ball, then the robot goalie should have just a fair chance of controlling how it wants to release the ball. Hence the suggestion of stopping the game with the indirect free kick.</div>
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-Joydeep</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Angelo Gurzoni Jr <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgurzoni@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">jgurzoni@yahoo.com.br</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hello, everybody<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Wouldn’t the scenario described by Joydeep result in a goal in the same way, if we use the current rules, where chip goals aren’t allowed ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not saying that Joydeep’s line of thought isn’t appropriate, as allowing chip goals may increase the occurrence of this otherwise rare event, just trying to put the scenario in the context of how would it be handled until now. The suggestion to stop the game when the goalie touches seem interesting, indeed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Angelo<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:robocup-small-bounces@cc.gatech.edu" target="_blank">robocup-small-bounces@cc.gatech.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:robocup-small-bounces@cc.gatech.edu" target="_blank">robocup-small-bounces@cc.gatech.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joydeep Biswas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Christopher Head<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:robocup-small@cc.gatech.edu" target="_blank">robocup-small@cc.gatech.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [robocup-small] New Rules<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the clarification.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I feel that allowing goals from chip kicks like in the scenario I mentioned will promote unintelligent behaviour where attacking robots will just keep on chipping at the goal in the hopes that scenarios like this happen, and that they will be awarded goals. For the goalie, however, it's reasonable to "catch" the chip kick, but entirely unreasonable to predict exactly how the ball will bounce off after hitting the goalie. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, I feel if we are to allow goals from chipping, then if the goalie intercepts a chip shot in the defense area, the game should stop and the goalie should be awarded an indirect free kick from where it intercepted the ball. This is just like in real soccer where if the goalie actually catches the ball, he/she has full control of where he/she will pass the ball to, next.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What are the views of the other participants of the small size league?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-Joydeep<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Christopher Head <<a href="mailto:chead@chead.ca" target="_blank">chead@chead.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA256<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<br>Yes, this would be a goal for yellow. The only case when a chip goal is<br>
not a goal during normal play is if it touches the goalie then goes in<br>the goal, WITHOUT touching any other robot in between—this includes<br>another defender. We tried to strike a balance between encouraging<br>teams to use chippers where it makes sense to do so, while still giving<br>
the goalie the power to defend effectively against chip goals, and the<br>rule about the goalie catching chip kicks that go directly into the<br>goal after touching the goalie was our way to (hopefully!) achieve that<br>
balance.<br>
<br>Chris<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:26:34 -0400<br>Joydeep Biswas <<a href="mailto:joydeep@cmu.edu" target="_blank">joydeep@cmu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Hi Chris,<br>><br>
> I would like to clarify the rule regarding "catching" chip kicks in<br>> the following scenario:<br>><br>> Scenario:<br>> 1. Yellow robot 0 chip kicks the ball towards blue goal.<br>> 2. Blue goalie (blue robot 0) touches the ball, and the ball bounces<br>
> off its front.<br>> 3. The ball, bouncing off the front of blue goalie, hits the back of<br>> blue defender robot 1.<br>> 4. The ball, after hitting the back of blue defender robot 1, enters<br>> the blue goal.<br>
><br>> Would this scenario result in a goal for yellow team?<br>><br>> -Joydeep<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)<u></u><u></u></p>
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