Hi, <br>I'm a former member of Plasma-Z<br><br>I agree with BengKiat in the point that robots should have more ability to play with ball to enhance sending and receiving ball. <br>Criteria of dribbling should be considered to change.
<br>The rules such as 20% ball covering and degree of freedom of dribbling ball may have to change.<br><br>I haven't thinking about what it should to be yet. <br><br>Regards,<br>Nawarat<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
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<p>I believe a lower speed ball would not improve passing.<br>
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The current problem is that robots are too fast and has unlimited energy. And they are too clumsy in term of ball handling. So passing takes a longer time compared to blocking a ball as the receiving robot takes a while to get control of the ball and change direction, compared to the defending robot, which are capable of accelerating to a postion at very high speed.
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We need slower robot, or more dexterous robot (able to dribble faster and more skillfully) or bigger field.<br>
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Regards<br>
BengKiat<br>
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Do you think that with a different ball (heavier and/or softer) we would<br>
be able to lower kick speed further and force passing and coordination?<br>
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Andy Bardagjy<br>
Georgia Tech RoboJackets<br>
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On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 10:22 +0800, Beng Kiat Ng wrote:<br>
> Hi Roman,<br>
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> I believe we all want to see more team coordination.<br>
> And team coordination is impossible (or limited) if there's no/little<br>
> passing.<br>
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> Currently, passing rarely occurs during gameplay. And we are limited<br>
> to one pass most of the time. It would be nice to see a string of<br>
> passes, where team can control the ball and create opportunities.<br>
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> As for ball speed, I don't see it affecting passing much. The ball has<br>
> to be much faster than robot speed. I would think that currently, the<br>
> main problem is that robot is too fast. Cutting down robot speed will<br>
> reduce field size requirement, but nobody has a good idea on<br>
> controlling robot speed yet.<br>
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> The only problem I have with current ball speed is that robot can<br>
> score from one end of the field to the other. That really discourage<br>
> passing as there is less need to bring the ball up to the opponent<br>
> side of field.<br>
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> Regards<br>
> BengKiat<br>
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