[robocup-small] Decision about Major Changes
Mahisorn Wongphati
mahisorn.w at gmail.com
Fri Oct 12 05:50:52 EDT 2007
Hi, All
I do support Beng ideas.
Best Regards,
Mahisorn
On 10/12/07, Beng Kiat Ng <nbk at np.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> I must admit I like the Japanese proposal very much.
> We should have a plan to introduce humanoid a few years down the road.
>
> If all TC members are agreeable, we can have a serious discussion
> regarding this issue, after the 2008 rules are finalised.
>
> Regards
> BengKiat
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for Naruse Tadashi
> <naruse at ist.aichi-pu.ac.jp>]Naruse Tadashi <naruse at ist.aichi-pu.ac.jp>
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> *Naruse Tadashi <naruse at ist.aichi-pu.ac.jp>*
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> 10/12/2007 10:44 AM
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> To
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> Beng Kiat Ng <nbk at np.edu.sg>
> cc
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> timlaue at tzi.de, small-size-tc at tzi.de
> Subject
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> Re: Decision about Major Changes
>
> Hi,
>
> We, Japanese teams, proposes a New SSL. Look,
>
> http://www.aichi-pu.ac.jp/ist/lab/narulab/indexNewSSL.html
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> You can watch demo videos.
>
> Tadashi
>
> Beng Kiat Ng wrote:
> >
> > Humanoids are getting faster and cheaper every year. But they are
> > still too clumsy to be able to handle a ball properly. I don't see
> > humanoid as being viable in the next few years if we want to keep the
> > SSL games attractive. But it probably have to be there somewhere in
> > the 5 year plan.
> >
> > Personally I have not been in favour of field size increase as it
> > increase costs and make it difficult to test for most teams. In our
> > lab, our ceiling is slightly over 3 metres. Never had a chance to test
> > at 4 metres before we went for our last trip 2 years ago.
> > Theoretically, the system should work but it was a nagging worry for
> > me till the actual competition day. You can never be sure if there's
> > other problem.
> >
> > Though there is majority in favour, we must not forget the minority.
> >
> > So we should go ahead with increasing the field size as most teams
> > agreed. But we should avoid increasing so much as to make some teams
> > vision system breaks.
> >
> > Regards
> > BengKiat
> >
> > Inactive hide details for Tim Laue <timlaue at tzi.de>Tim Laue
> > <timlaue at tzi.de>
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> >
> > *Tim Laue <timlaue at tzi.de>*
> >
> > 10/10/2007 10:50 PM
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> >
> > To
> >
> > small-size-tc at tzi.de
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> > cc
> >
> >
> > Subject
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> > Decision about Major Changes
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> >
> >
> >
> > Hi TC,
> >
> > we need to decide about major changes soon. Since I will be on a short
> > holiday trip (with no or only limited internet access, at least with not
> > enough time to do any elaborate work) from Thursday until Tuesday, I
> > would like to summarized my opinion now.
> >
> > I am personally in favor of increasing the field size and keeping all
> > rules regarding the robot design as they are now.
> >
> > Since everybody wants to encourage a more intelligent gameplay and more
> > passes, this *might* be a solution. We have this discussion every year.
> > In the previous years, most teams did not want to have any increase.
> > This year, there seems to be the chance for a change since many teams
> > agree with this change. Otherwise, the whole discussion starts again
> > next year.
> >
> > There are three major alternatives to an increase which have been
> > proposed during the previous months (I hope I did not forget anything).
> > Here are my opinions about these changes:
> >
> > * Virtual Energy Budget
> > This is something many teams would like to have. Unfortunately, we will
> > not have any software for that until RoboCup 2008. We should really try
> > to have it for RoboCup 2009. After my holiday trip, I will write a short
> > proposal to the mailing list.
> >
> > * Physical Energy Budget
> > I have no strong personal opinion about this. This idea has been
> > presented on robocup-small several times, but I cannot remember any
> > reaction from any team. My personal impression is: Most teams do not
> > want to have standard batteries. But maybe we could ask them?
> >
> > * Humanoid Robots
> > This idea is quite visionary, but there have also been no teams who
> > responded to this idea. In my eyes, it is quite appealing but might come
> > too early. Many people like the SSL because of its smooth and strategic
> > play; they also like humanoid robots because of their appearance but not
> > because of their soccer skills. I think that up-to-date humanoid robots
> > are not able to provide the smooth matches that people expect to see in
> > the SSL. By the way: In our lab, we do something quite similar. We use
> > our Small Size vision to track our humanoid robots to get ground truth
> > data for localizatoin experiments (see attached image).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
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