[robocup-msrs] CLARIFICATION: changing the number of Robudogplayers inthesimulator

Andrew Williams jayhawkeye at gmail.com
Tue Jun 26 14:32:36 EDT 2007


Dear Tucker,
I think this sounds like a good plan.   I like the idea of having a
competition on Thursday and Friday even if we decide
to make the matches shorter (like 5 minute halves). If we have this
competition, we should have a plan for tie-breakers.  It's possible that
teams may tie 0-0 and we should have some rules for a shoot-out or
something.  Maybe the shoot out could be how many goals a team can score in
1 minute.  Just my thoughts.

Regards,

-- Andrew

On 6/26/07, Tucker Balch <tucker.balch at cc.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> Dear Nikos, Kyle,
>
> To be fair to Kyle, I believe he received this task only a few weeks
> ago, and I must say he's handling things quite well :-)
>
> In fact, we're all somewhat late getting started on this -- it is not
> Microsoft's fault, it is just that it took some time to decide for sure
> that we were doing this, and to get everything in place.
>
> Having said all that, I would suggest that we go forward with a plan
> something like:
>
> Sunday - Weds July 1-4, work together to get teams playing versus teams
> -- let's avoid penalties for code not integrating, but focus on getting
> it to work.  Once we get there we'll be able to assess how good the
> teams are and so forth.
>
> Thurs-Friday, July 5-6, Competitions of some sort -- could be just skill
> demonstrations, could be games.
>
> Sat-Sun, July 7-8, Demonstrations at CRC (e.g. we'll pick "best of"
> examples and run them).
>
> Afterwards -- lets create an after-action report to summarize advice to
> Microsoft.
>
> Tucker
>
>
> Nikos Vlassis wrote:
> > Hi Kyle,
> >
> > In my view the primary feature of a simulator is not the visualization
> > but the cheap collection of data for experimentation and testing. (In
> > my previous emails I've asked questions towards this: how to switch
> > off visualization, how to programmatically set/get the position of
> > entities in the field, etc.) I believe that if the MSRS soccer
> > framework wants to be a standard RoboCup framework, it will be
> > critical to have a fully programmatic development environment that
> > doesn't rely at all on visualization, and where testing will be cheap
> > and easy. I know this is not possible to do in a week time, and in
> > fact it's useful for us to experiment with low-level MSRS issues, but
> > I'm not so sure how sophisticated soccer games you should expect from
> > the teams when there are still low-level technical issues that are
> > hard to master.
> >
> > Perhaps the above applies only to our team :-) In any case, let me
> > take the freedom to raise the question: How far are the other teams
> > with the development of their code? Are there teams that can already
> > play a decent game of soccer? (In our team we are far from that.) From
> > the discussion in the mailing list I have noticed that we are all
> > still struggling with low-level details like configuration files, etc.
> > How many teams are finally participating? Would it make more sense to
> > have some kind of demonstration of basic soccer skills instead of
> > expecting us to develop a complete soccer team by next week, while we
> > are still waiting software patches to arrive this week?
> >
> > Please take the above as constructive criticism that only tries to help
> things.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Nikos
> >
> >
> > On 6/25/07, Kyle Johns <kylej at microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Nikos (and others working on this issue),
> >>
> >> Many of the robudog services are started programmatically in Robosoft's
> code rather than from the manifest.  I don't see a way to easily disable
> these services from starting up without modifying Robosoft's code.  The
> entities are also created and placed by Robosoft's services independently of
> the manifest.
> >>
> >> It is fairly easy to delete the robot entities manually.  As I
> mentioned in a previous post, you just go into the simulation editor (F5),
> select the entity you want to delete in the upper-left pane, and press
> Delete.  I realize that this is painful to do every time you start up the
> environment but it is much simpler than the programmatic way of doing it.
> >>
> >> Is it a problem for you that the services for the other players are
> loaded?  If you delete the entities, the services won't be doing anything in
> the simulation environment that will affect the remaining player.  It will
> be as if they are not running at all.
> >>
> >> Is it critical for you to have a programmatic way to delete the
> entities?
> >>
> >> -Kyle
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: robocup-msrs-bounces at cc.gatech.edu [mailto:
> robocup-msrs-bounces at cc.gatech.edu] On Behalf Of Nikos Vlassis
> >> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:39 AM
> >> To: Andrew Williams
> >> Cc: Whitney O'Banner; robocup-msrs at cc.gatech.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [robocup-msrs] CLARIFICATION: changing the number of
> Robudog players inthesimulator
> >>
> >> To summarize the discussion: The issue of how to start up only one
> >> robot (so that all other services and simulation entities don't start
> >> up) is still unresolved. Commenting out code in the manifests doesn't
> >> seem to suffice. Some help here would be welcome.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> Nikos
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> --
> Tucker Balch, Associate Professor, Interactive Computing
> Director, Institute for Personal Robots in Education
> Chair, RoboCup 2007 Atlanta
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
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