[robocup-humanoid] P.S. Manual Kick-Off

[Oskar von Stryk]

On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Oskar von Stryk wrote:

> Hi Jacky,
>
> I understand your proposal as follows:
> Let Team A use manual kick-off (and not the referee box) and
> let Team B use the referee box for kick-off.
>
> If Team A has kick-off and when the referee blows the whistle or gives
> the signal "Play" then Team A has to wait for 10s,
> while the referee moves the ball imediately and sufficiently to signal team B 
> that the ball is in play.
>
> If Team B has kick-off and when the referee blows the whistle or gives the 
> signal "Play" then Team B has to wait for 10s
> no matter if Team A has already moved the ball.

Of course, I meant that Team A has to wait for 10s
no matter if Team B has already moved the ball.
Sorry for the confusion.

Oskar

> This means that all teams using manual kick-off must implement
> a way that after the "Play" signal of the referee the robots wait for 10s
> bevore they start moving. (They can move their head but not their legs during 
> the 10s.)
>
> This sounds OK to me.
>
> In addition we need some kind of penalty if a team (no matter if using manual 
> start or the referee box) is permanently violating the rules for the start of 
> play.
>
> Best regards,
> Oskar
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Jacky Baltes wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> my suggestion would be that in case of a team that can not use the referee
>> box when they have the kickoff, the ball can be played by the team without
>> the kick-off after 10 sec. So in that case, the 10 secs. start immediately
>> after the referee blows the whistle. We could simulate this by the referee
>> moving the ball slightly after the whistle is blown if the kicking team can
>> not use the referee box.
>> 
>> I think 30 secs. removal is too harsh a penalty in this case.
>> 
>> CU,
>>   Jacky
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Oskar von Stryk
>> <stryk at sim.tu-darmstadt.de>wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Humanoid League Teams,
>>> 
>>> A recent update of the rule draft has just been added to
>>> http://www.tzi.de/humanoid/bin/view/Website/Downloads
>>> 
>>> It includes the following extensions to the version of Dec 24:
>>> - Fig. 2: Explanations to the new goal design have been added.
>>> - Appendix for rule evolution included (with slight updates).
>>> - Head lines added to the page layout.
>>> - Index started (more keywords can be added).
>>> 
>>> Please report typos and bugs!
>>> 
>>> If I followed the discussion on the mailing list correctly
>>> the following points still need to be clarified and are not yet
>>> included in the above draft:
>>> 
>>> - Sect. 12.4.7: List of exemptions (if any) of the replacement of
>>>        the indirect free kicks with game stop
>>>        by the 30s removal penalty with continuous play.
>>> 
>>> - Implementation of the 10s advantage to teams
>>>        using the referee box in any stoppages of the game:
>>>
>>>        With the removal penalty the most stoppages will
>>>        be at kick-offs. Here, the 10s waiting rule only
>>>        gives an advantage to a team using referee box
>>>        at its own kick-off.
>>>        But it does not give any advantage if the team
>>>        not using referee box has kick-off
>>>        as the other autonomous team will have to wait 10s anyway
>>>        if the ball has been moved by the team having kick-off.
>>>
>>>        Alternatives are needed to give a real advantage
>>>        to teams using the referee box if a team
>>>        not using it does the kick-off, for example:
>>>        The robots manually starting team then have to wait for 15s.
>>>        Or: A 30s removal penalty is applied to one field player.
>>>        Or: All robots are put back to their goal lines (even in case of
>>>        having kick-off).
>>>        Or: ???
>>> 
>>> With best regards,
>>> Oskar von Stryk
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> robocup-humanoid mailing list
>>> robocup-humanoid at cc.gatech.edu
>>> https://lists.cc.gatech.edu/mailman/listinfo/robocup-humanoid
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Prof. Jacky Baltes, EITC E2-402 Department of Computer Science, University
>> of Manitoba Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2
>> VoIP: +1 (310) 961-2209, Fax: +1 (204) 474-7609
>> Email: jacky (AT) cs.umanitoba.ca
>> http://aalab.cs.umanitoba.ca
>> Gizmo: jacky_baltes
>> 
>
> --
> Prof. Dr. Oskar von Stryk           E-Mail: stryk(at)sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> Simulation, Systems Optimization    Phone:  ++49 (0) 6151-16-2513
> and Robotics Group                  Fax:    ++49 (0) 6151-16-6648
> Technische Universitaet Darmstadt   http://www.sim.tu-darmstadt.de
> Hochschulstr. 10                    D-64289 Darmstadt, Germany
>

--
Prof. Dr. Oskar von Stryk           E-Mail: stryk(at)sim.tu-darmstadt.de
Simulation, Systems Optimization    Phone:  ++49 (0) 6151-16-2513
and Robotics Group                  Fax:    ++49 (0) 6151-16-6648
Technische Universitaet Darmstadt   http://www.sim.tu-darmstadt.de
Hochschulstr. 10                    D-64289 Darmstadt, Germany